25 Jul 2012
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A Note from the Editorial Team: This is another post from the author of Paying for Sex in the Philippines which sparked serious debate when it was published back in April. We do strive to provide a platform for those willing to express an opinion, however the opinions expressed by contributing authors do not necessarily reflect those of the site or it’s staff.
Is prostitution bad?
Most people seem to think so. My last article, Paying for Sex in the Philippines provoked such a strong reaction that it is one of the most-commented and most-viewed pages on TravelSexLife.com.
It also provoked more negative responses than any other post on this website. Weird, especially considering that sex tourism fits perfectly with the travel-sex theme. In this post, I want to return to the oh-so-evil topic of prostitution.
Why?
Because most of the negative comments on the previous post were emotional. There was very little well-thought-out argument. I struck a nerve, but rather than engage with intelligence, most people lashed out in anger and personal attacks while proving nothing.
In this post, you’ll discover why you should pay for sex. In response to my last article, most people took the moral high ground, insisting that they wanted to punch me, that I was a scumbag and that I was an ugly loser who couldn’t attract girls for free.
But, as you will soon find out, taking the moral high ground and abstaining from prostitution creates very little value, and thus is the least ethical option, not the most.
Of course, I made a number of mistakes in the last article. I over-generalized when I said all Filipina women being prostitutes. That was dumb. I also didn’t dwell on the problems of prostitution enough. And I also presented myself as a loser who couldn’t attract women and therefore had to pay for sex (poor me!).
Before we continue, let’s deal with these problems -
I over-generalized. Not all women are prostitutes. Not even most of them. I’ve met plenty of normal women here and have found them to be friendly, engaging and intelligent.
There are problems with prostitution, including human trafficking, rape, assault and drugging. So what? There are problems with almost all male-female relationships. Husbands abuse their wives. Does this mean marriage is the problem and needs to be outlawed? No. Instead, we resent the individual who commits the behaviour.
In the case of prostitution, I suggest we do the same. I don’t deny that there are problems with prostitution. But these problems do not invalidate prostitution itself, just like abusive husbands do not invalidate marriage. Are you with me?
As for me, am I a sleazy old guy?
Not really. I’m a young, healthy guy. Think what you want about me, but I’m not interested in prostitution for lack of better options.
I’m fascinated by the concept of prostitution, including the strong emotional response it provokes in most people. So onwards! Let’s get stuck into it.
Here’s why you should pay for sex (and why you’re being unethical if you don’t).
Some people dislike prostitution because they think sex becomes a transaction. But think about this – everything is a transaction. In ANY exchange, one form of value must be exchanged for another. In prostitution, one pays cash for sex.
In a normal relationship, a person pays with a good body, an engaging personality or a nice car. To attract a mate, we have to make ourselves valuable to the opposite sex.
Think about it. Compare two potential partners. One is healthy and fit and has a good job. The other is overweight, unfit, unemployed and in debt to their parents.
Tell me, reader, which partner is more attractive as a mate? The healthy one? Or the fat one? The healthy one, right? Now, think about the why. Why are they more attractive?
Because they offer more value. They offer value in the form of a healthy body and a good job. Value can take many forms. Value can be a healthy body. A good job. Independence. A nice vacation house on the lake.
And here’s the kicker - Money is value. Money is a convenient way to measure how much value you can “withdraw” from society. If you have earned $20, you have earned the right to “withdraw” $20 worth of value from society.
So prostitution is paying cash for sex, intimacy or a short relationship. But if cash is value, then it is equally accurate to say that prostitution is exchanging value for sex, intimacy or a relationship.
Now what do most people do in normal relationships, including all the people who “despise” prostitution? They exchange value for sex, intimacy or a relationship. Which means that ALL relationships are made possible through transactions of value.
Here’s what this means – if you resent the idea of sex being a transaction, then to be consistent, you should quit relationships of all types.
Solitary confinement is the only way to avoid the transactional nature of relationships. Everything has a transactional nature. Contrary to what most yoyo-dieters think, there are no magic bullets. You CAN’T get something for nothing. You have to give something to get something. In business, you give valuable products to get cash. In health, you exchange time and effort invested in diet and exercise for a sexy body. In prostitution, you exchange cash (ie. hypothetical value) for cash.
Don’t you see? Everything in life involves a transaction of value. But hey, I know what you’re thinking. This doesn’t necessarily mean that prostitution is good, does it? Well, you’re about to find out why engaging in prostitution represents a stronger ethical position than to abstain.
The main idea: Sex tourism saves lives.
Why? Because prostitution is creating a HUGE transfer of wealth. People who pay cash for sex are investing money in the local economy. If an American in the Philippines spends $1,000 on prostitutes, he has injected $1000 into the Philippines economy. That $1,000 will filter through the country, going to store owners when someone buys condoms, and from condoms to bread, to feed the family of the shop owner. That “seedy, creepy” American created $1,000 value in a developing economy.
Now, my moralistic friends, when you complain about prostitution, how much value are you creating for the developing countries around the world?
Sure, you can tell me it would be better if that American spent $1,000 on community development, but $1,000 spent is better than what most people do – NOTHING.
Indirectly, the $1,000 that the American spends increases the GDP of the Philippines and enables community development.
In a small Filipino touristy town, $100,000 of prostitution might move through the town every month. Along with the $100k, guests spend money on hotels, activities and food. You’re looking at up to $500k PER MONTH, due to prostitution, and that’s in a small town.
$500k is a lot of money, especially when you multiply it by the number of towns around the world like this.
Take a look at Thailand, also known as the Sex Tourism Capital of the World. Colin from Expat Chronicles mentions that “Thailand’s poverty rate is so low it’s in striking distance of being called a developed economy”.
There is no denying the fact that prostitution is creating TONS of value (in the form of CASH) in developing economies. And indirectly, it’s responsible for many things, both good and bad, from community development to human trafficking.
Perhaps it could be said that prostitution is an effective means of climbing OUT of poverty, not into it like most people think.
All the people who take the moral high ground and belittle the people that engage in prostitution, how are they solving the issue? What value are they creating for the world?
Each time a person pays for sex, they are injecting cash into the local economy. If the sex is consensual and there is no abuse, human trafficking, or drugs involved, then paying for sex is preferable to abstaining from it.
Please understand, I am NOT saying that prostitution is good. I’m saying that prostitution itself is neither good nor bad, just like marriage is neither good nor bad. Prostitution is simply a system, a way of doing things, just like marriage.
So what determines good or bad?
Action. Prostitution isn’t the problem. The problem is the abusive individual. In marriage, we criticise the abusive father and husband, not the institution of marriage.
So in prostitution, we should be criticizing the human trafficker, the abuser, the coercer, rather than the institution of prostitution. Prostitution, in and of itself, is neutral.
If you see yourself as logical person, you will see this as a self-evident truth. If not, go back to the beginning and re-read this article.
So if prostitution is neither good nor bad, why do people react so strongly to prostitution?
1. Religion
Most of the modern world has a religious heritage. Religious people believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong, and therefore they have to argue that prostitution is wrong, even if it means being unreasonable (lest they be inconsistent with their faith).
2. Insecurity
I’m gonna get slapped for this one. In the Western world, obesity is an epidemic. People are FAT and they seem to be getting fatter. So what’s a guy to do when the availability of slim, attractive women in his home country is becoming less and less? I think it’s likely that a lot of girls are threatened by the fact that it’s easy to find hotter, sexier and friendlier versions of them on the other side of the world.
3. Human trafficking, drug abuse and coercion
I get it – there are problems with prostitution. But don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. If you want to eliminate prostitution because bad things happen, you’re going to have to eliminate marriage because bad things happen with marriage.
Can you think of any other reasons? Let me know in the comments.
Often, we hold assumptions about life that aren’t actually our own thoughts. How many of you arrived at the conclusion that prostitution was wrong after a reasoned out thought process? Most people assume it’s wrong, but they can’t actually explain why.
In the last article, most people who disagreed with me about prostitution did so on an emotional basis. They didn’t think through their argument. They started with the assumption that is was wrong, and told me all about it. But there was very little rational thinking.
Now, I’m sure a few of you feel the need to respond. Great. I love discussion. Only, rather than personal attacks, try to deal with my points above. The argument above stands on its own, regardless of what you think about me.
Also, while you’re thinking about how best to call me an a**hole, remember that moral victories create little-to-no value.
I’m not looking for approval or praise. I just want people to think.
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41 Comments
You correctly criticise sex trafficking but are you doing anything about it? You seem to be engaging in prostitution in Asia, an area renowned for trafficking. Surely the easiest way to combat sex trafficking is to keep your trouser snake locked up until you get back to the legal brothels of the Western world which are slightly more regulated?
You forget that by funding prostitution you are also creating demand which will feed sex trafficking.
Abstaining won’t solve the problem. It just makes me feel a little better. At a guess, the real solution will come with a large rise in the country’s GDP. When that changes, prostitution rates will naturally decline.
My argument, as in the post, is that I’m creating more value by engaging in it, than the people who sit on their high-horse and look down on me.
I’m not suggesting that your abstinence from engaging in prostitution in developing countries would stop sex trafficking on a global scale – but wouldn’t it be a start? If individuals aren’t willing to make a stance then greater change can never come about.
Perhaps – but since it’s not creating any tangible value, I think it’s a moot point. My abstaining doesn’t create the change – large-scale economic forces do.
So the real issue here is how can we enable economic development in these countries?
Part of that answer is an injection of capital into the economy. And abstaining from prostitution creates no capital, while prostitution on a large-scale creates a huge injection of capital.
As I mentioned in the article, it doesn’t make it good, but it highlights the fact that it’s a grey issue, not black-and-white, like so many like to believe.
You want to know what feeds sex trafficking dummy?
You are sooo dumb…..its hungry third world country or poor people
dumb girls who got nothing but a nice rack
back in the day when marrying a 13 year old was cool farmers used to hook them up with other farmers etc….slaverly/prostition….
but they would marry the little girl and bam she obviously didnt stay a virgin trust me by these older guys.
the family of course would lose the burden of a 13 year old, gain a few cows etc…
90 percent of the things you buy at the store is made in china or some third world you supporting child slavery? sweat shop bro???
I agree with you that all relationships involve a transaction of some sort. This is why I don’t believe in marriage and some feminists have referred to marriage as legalised prostitution.
Still this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to work towards equal male-female relations. Prostitution is arguably the most grossly unequal gender paradigm there is.
You use Thailand’s low poverty rate as an argument for prostitution but I think this is flawed – the Philippines has a thriving sex industry but it remains one of the poorest countries in South East Asia.
Prostitution is only a viable option for young women – while some can save up enough for their later years, not all women can do so. If you really cared (I doubt it though – I think you just want to feel better about being a sex tourist), you could put your money towards educating young girls.
And as brought up by Stephen, there is also the issue of human trafficking – one of most devastating abuses of human rights on a global scale.
The fact that prostitution is unequal isn’t due to something we control. Due to evolutionary wiring, men are pre-disposed to act in certain ways. If women worked the same as men, I’m sure there’d be an equally thriving prostitution industry.
But as it stands, evolution hasn’t created the same market opportunity for females seeing male prostitutes.
Not to say that evolution makes any of it good, but I’m just highlighting the fact that the way it’s working is the natural result of our wiring, not because we’re consciously trying to “evil” or make it unequal.
I use Thailand’s low poverty rate as an argument that prostitution doesn’t lead to poverty, that the two exist independently of one another. As such, poverty cannot be used as an argument against prostitution.
I could put my money towards educating young girls, but ye you judge me seem to be more worried about the problem than I am, yet are doing nothing to solve it except commenting on a blog post.
There is the issue of human trafficking, which I don’t deny. But as already stated, it doesn’t mean that prostitution is wrong. Just that there are problems, just like there are problems with marriage and ordinary relationships.
your dumb education for the girls?
DO you NOT understand they do it willingly?
the ones who are forced yea they victims lets go fuck up the assholes
PERIOD dun
You are right in that every relationship (from friendships to co-workers to sexual partners) is a transaction of value, but frankly you’ve got the rest of your argument ass-backwards.
Your big claim here seems to be that you’re doing these countries (and their people) a favor by coming in and generously spending money. The thing that you’re leaving out is that you’re voting with your money, and you’re voting to keep these countries a white guy’s playground, where economies are dependent on your sex dollars to stay afloat, their people fed.
I actually wrote about this a bit in one of my books, because really I go back and forth on it. In many developed countries prostitution is legalized, and where it’s monitored by the government, things seem to go fairly well. I have no moral problem with the idea of prostitution as a profession, and if someone (anyone!) wants to sell sex, that should be their right.
In developing countries (and in non-regulated developed countries), however, you’re far more likely to be supporting a cycle that essentially tells young girls that if they want to make enough money to crawl out of poverty, they’re going to have to sell themselves. It’s not direct coercion in many cases (though in many others, it is, but let’s focus on the economics side of things for now), but it’s indirect coercion through economics. By supporting that trade, you’re supporting the perpetuation of sex-trade-as-main-priority for the locals. If you went into town and bought a bunch of opium you would be doing the same for the opium trade. If you visited Thailand and paid for tacky Red Bull t-shirts, you would be doing the same for tacky Red Bull t-shirts.
What I’m saying is this: if you want to pay for sex, pay for sex. No one is going to stop you, because frankly, it’s legal in many places, and that’s your right.
But don’t get all sanctimonious about it as if you’re doing anyone a favor other than yourself. If you want to help an area out of poverty, buy a handcrafted whatever or invest in their IT sector.
That was quite perfectly said, Colin.
well said! you can read my comments further down the page as well. What book did you write?
yea what do we tell ourselves when we want a job? sell our selves to the best of the ability to get the job to make our selves the best we can be right?
so whats wrong with telling girls to sell themselves to get ahead?
Obviously people in these third world countries been having more children than they can handle and also they’re living standard is low so yeaa not much options
what else you gonna tell your kids?
oh by the way am poor your family is poor our relative is poor
hmmmmm by the way yea downtown theres a place when american people who are richer have money can give you money for sex wanna do it? It make our living standard better ….etc…..
which goes to show hmmmmm the way they think they subject themselve to this when the poor country makes poor decisions.
duh~
and they are happy for our business, because its like giving bananas to a monkey…they arent going to refuse it you know lol
anyway when the world get’s there shit together which is never it will end
but i like to use it as a measure of how far humanity has come and from the roman times yea slavery we getting there slowly very slowly
“If you want to save a man from poverty don’t give him fish. Instead teach him how to fish on its river.”
I agree with Colin W.
Anonymous, you wanna go with a bitch? Cool, have fun with that.
However your attempt of selling the idea that your are helping Philippines by paying a prostitute is quite weak and not original at all.
See, the reality is that you are only making young girls addicted to easy money. Why should they study and work hard if it suffices to open their legs for a lazy foreigner in order to make good money?
You find a similar dynamics in the drugs market. If you buy a gram of cocaine in Paris you are contributing to a system where young guys in Mexico (or in South Italy for what it matters, read Gomorra for an overview) prefer to become drug dealers than study because they will make easy money and play the mafia boys in their neighborhood.
See, macro economy is something a bit more complicated than the theory you drew for us ; )
Greetings from China,
Furio
Anonymous,
you are going to get slapped for this article, you knew it when you wrote it. However it doesn’t negate the validity of some of your arguments and it was quite well written.
You were especially on target with your description of value and the exchanges of value that take place in any relationship; sexual or non sexual, romantic or pragmatic. I happen to know a few women in the US that were raised since birth to believe that “true love” could be had with a rich man, just as easily as with a poor man. In order to attract and retain these rich men though they had to do certain things. Stay fit, stay intelligent, cook well, and learn proper manners so that they could always be the perfect accompaniment to their husband. Thus far, they have been very successful and despite having never accomplished much themselves, they have managed to accomplish a very financially secure life for themselves and their offspring who are now being taught the same thing. The fact that in the 21st century this behavior not only exists, but still flourishes in the US lends a little credence to your argument.
However your marriage comparison is flawed, the reason that people fear rape and violence in prostitution has less to do with the “Johns” becoming violent (although they do), and a great deal more to do with the “administration” of prostitution becoming violent.
Running prostitutes is about control, it’s very “rapey”. Even if the girls involved were all willing and happy souls, control and discipline would still be used in the industry to make sure that they didn’t get lazy. Profits need to be made, prostitutes are the employees, pimps and handlers are their CEO’s. Those CEO’s want money they want to see a good profit margin and they aren’t going to allow a once a week worker who does just enough to support her family. This is about money after all.
“Human Trafficking” is such a hygienic name…Remember its old name? SLAVERY. Slaves have been coerced into behaving and working for their masters for many reasons over the years. Some masters maybe just feed them well, some masters use violence and threats of violence, some threaten family members or promise to provide for family members, others use addiction, some others even use addiction after they themselves have created it. Whatever method they use, It all boils down to control over their forced employees. You didn’t want an emotional response, but I’m afraid that the idea of slavery demands it. It is emotional, it should be emotional, and we should not only be disgusted by it, but fear it as well.
In conclusion, if you legalize prostitution and make all the girls true independent contractors, who work when they want and can quit when they want then I might agree with you. But as long as they are controlled and give their money to the house…sorry, no. Its more than a dirty industry, its a bloody, dirty industry.
you write so legalize it, duh~ research how other countrys have it done right dummy
You can’t compare marriage (unless it’s forced) with prostitution. This whole post is completely emotionless and talks only about choosing a mate for value. Yes you can choose someone with a nice car and a good job, but if you don’t love them – well, then you won’t end up marrying them unless you’re a gold-digger.
To compare loving relationships with ten minutes with a prostitute – who probably didn’t choose to be a prostitute – that’s not cool. Also, an abused husband or wife can choose to leave their spouse. A prostitute often has no such choice.
Marriage doesn’t create abuse or crime – an individual does. However prostitution always comes tied with crime – they go hand in hand. You can’t say “you should ban marriage” if you want to ban prostitution. Control and illegal activities are the very basis of prostitution, not of marriage. It’s insulting to all the loving couples out there. If you ban prostitution, who are you insulting? The lovely, kind pimps of the world who give their prostitutes total freedom and let them keep what they earn? No.
yea its not emotionless its called logic which the world would be better off
but we got crazy emotional insane people interferring from progress but anyway can a abused wife leave her husband when he is the hand that feeds? and she had kids etc…hard but ulitimately yes….can a prositute quit ?????? hard but YES WOW your argument just went down the drain
i seen plenty of sad marriage where husband and wife stay because of kids or money because they got horny one night and had sex and now she is pregno and bam …um yea my cousins family stayed together till the kids 18 birthday and bam divorce amazing……
oh my god you are so retarded prostitution does not come hand in hand you tard
if so marriage is too……dumb as a brick i swear
if you legalize it pimps be out of jobs, forced prostitution would be over
oh by the way your loving relationship is a joke
a big fat joke
you in fact are a prostitute relatively speaking you just love him…how nice
i love prostitutes so i guess its just shorted lived huh?
your false relationship is insult to my open, truth of what it really is relationships lol
Wait a minute, isn’t an abusive husband/wife the equivalent of a pimp? Aren’t they controlling the relationship through mental/emotional abuse and the use or threat of violence? Aren’t they controlling the purse strings, whether they are the ones who are making the money or taking the money? Come to think about it, if your ex-wife married you because she saw you as a “good provider”, and then decided that maybe marrying someone she didn’t really love was such good idea, then she can take your house, take HER kids, and half of your savings and future earnings and set you out on the curb next to Monday mornings trash.And maybe she thinks prostitution is a bad idea prior to marrying you, because it’s an easy outlet and it’s a cheap alternative to marriage; but, after she marries you, she thinks prostitution isn’t such a bad idea because she would rather you get sex elsewhere and stop pestering her while her nails dry and her girlfriend is trying to discuss something her husband bought her over the phone, while your wife calculates what your salary is scheduled to max out at.
Wait a minute, isn’t an abusive husband/wife the equivalent of a pimp? Aren’t they controlling the relationship through mental/emotional abuse and the use or threat of violence? Aren’t they controlling the purse strings, whether they are the ones who are making the money or taking the money? Come to think about it, if your ex-wife married you because she saw you as a “good provider”, and then decided that maybe marrying someone she didn’t really love was such good idea, then she can take your house, take HER kids, and half of your savings and future earnings and set you out on the curb next to Monday mornings trash.And maybe she thinks prostitution is a bad idea prior to marrying you, because it’s an easy outlet and it’s a cheap alternative to marriage; but, after she marries you, she thinks prostitution isn’t such a bad idea because she would rather you get sex elsewhere and stop pestering her while her nails dry and her girlfriend is trying to discuss something her husband bought her over the phone, while your wife calculates what your salary is scheduled to max out at. Who da pimp?
I’m torn at best, similarly to Colin. I’ve said before, frankly I could give a shit what happens between two consenting adults behind closed doors. And in most places where prostitution is regulated and legal, this is precisely what happens. But I’ve seen the looks on some of those girls faces as they walk around a stage waiting to be bought, it’s the same look of any human being who has hit rock bottom and feels they have no other options. The fact that they feel this way is a terrible product of a society that teaches them this rhetoric (and, in fact, it often is the “best” way in some of these locations.)
What is interesting to me is how that permeates into other peoples’ mindsets in the area. I was sitting with a group of close Indonesian girlfriends once talking about sex touristing. I was saying that many Westerners are appalled at how gross old men come to places like Asia or South America or Eastern Europe cause the girls are cheap and easy to get. The girls seemed to roll their eyes in synchronicity and began explaining how they feel bad for the men. What they saw (and I began to see more as I started looking in my travels) were people who felt that they had nothing and no one back home and had come here looking for something. The girls I was sitting with laughed at the very notion that a number of these women don’t know exactly what they are doing and trading up for (though we all agreed, as would anyone with a pulse and brain, that the horrible treatment of women in violent and corrupt human trafficking situations is disgusting and needs to be stopped.)
I’ve seen the empowerment that women feel when they use sex to transact what they want. I’ve had girlfriends who giggle and wink their eyes conspiratorially explaining that if their significant other wants to get laid then they’ll do whatever she says. I’ve known women who seek out men that will keep them in the way into which they would like to become accustomed, and those men are often sad lonely losers who feel like they are finally worth something when these girls give them the time of day and will do anything to keep that feeling alive.
I’ve also seen situations where two people who are at rock bottom come together, and two very bad situations match up to fill the emptiness in the other and create a good outcome.
Transactional sex (prostitution) has WAY too many variables and dark spaces on both ends of the spectrum to be totally good or totally bad. Like so much of life, reality is lived in the grey spaces in the middle. Which is really the reason that people tend to fall so hard on one side or the other of the “What is good and bad” spectrum. If everyone else is doing stuff that is way worse than me because obviously what they are doing is terribly horribly no good very bad bad (ie human traffickers should be strung up by their delicate bits and paraded around a stage for everyone to bid and laugh at – that’s a pretty universal opinion) then I don’t have to focus on the times that I detour off the white yellow brick road of “ok” sex stuff. Better to point fingers than have to look at any of the fingers pointed at me.
And honestly…#2? Why is it that guys so frequently fall to the “reason” for women to be upset with something that they feel devalues women to be that women are insecure cause they are fat on this site? Most of the girls I meet in Asia are approximately the size of my thigh. I sit at tables with guys (who I travel with mostly) and listen to them talk about how unfortunate it is that so-and-so went home with the ugly fat girl, who is approximately the size of my thigh. I still managed to be quite, er, taken care of while I was traveling…and I still am torn at how I feel about the ideology behind prostitution. Most Western women are well aware of the fact that they are way bigger than a good 80% (conservative estimate) of the world. Obesity is a problem in the West, and it’s an unfortunate problem at that, similarly fueled by hundreds of thousands of issues on the spectrum. But sorry, no. The go-to rational response is not that girls are insecure and upset because these skinny girls are getting the play that they wanted and that’s why they are upset about prostitution/human trafficking/flagging/sex touristing is a silly and shallow argument at best. (Yeah, I may have just slapped you – not cause I wanted to slap you but because the argument is a sad stereotype of an uppity entitled white guy. Stereotypes exist for a reason, I feel that this article isn’t about trying to emulate them.)
Really lame pre-GCSE school-yard arguments… doesn’t mention the most important ones.
Like prostitution should be legal so it can be legislated, so the women (and small number of men) involved can be protected from abuse and actually obtain the majority of the money they earn (apart from the part the government takes by force of law) and the sex trafficing industry can be tackled appropriated, instead of completely ineffectually (as now).
I don’t believe legalising prostitution is the solution – if anything, it can provide businesses with a cover for their illegal practices.
Prostitution is legal and regulated in my state in Australia but this hasn’t stamped out human trafficking. In fact, many legal brothels have been proven to have links to international trafficking rings.
Personally I’m in favour of the Swedish model of criminalising the paying for sex illegal but not the selling.
I would respect the author more if he just admitted to paying for sex out of convenience or necessity. He does raise some good points in the article though his follow up comments are quite weak and contradictory.
It seems like there are right and wrong ways to legalize prostitution, the Dutch way seems to lead to criminality, but the New Zealand or Nevada ways seem to avoid criminality (as far as I’ve read). I remember reading a book about the history of Nevada, and it was surprising how much legalizing prostitution even completely changed the type of woman working as a prostitute. That is also what we saw with the legalization of alcohol in the US- can you even compare Al Capone with say the owners of Jack Daniel’s? They were selling a similar product but the effects on society were vastly different simply because of the laws imposed.
In my opinion it doesn’t matter much if prostitution is legal or not. I live in Holland where prostitution is legal and prostitutes even pay income tax.
There’s still human trafficking from Eastern European countries going on and we have a big problem with loverboys.
Loverboys = Moroccan guys ( 90% of loverboys) find vulnerable teenage school girls who have problems at home or school and sweettalk them to be their girlfriend and give overload them gifts and tell how they are in love with them. After a few weeks they force the girls into prostitution saying they are out of money and people threatening the hurt the loverboy. The girl is madly in love with the guy and starts working as a prostitute to pay of his debts (he claims to have made debts to buy the girl gifts). After a while they have to get more and more customers and get threatened,beaten or cut up if they don’t listen.
It’s a typical Dutch thing but similar tactics are spreading out over Europe by other immigrants.
I have to agree with the rest of the comments. While you may think you’re doing a “good thing” by fueling what would be sex slavery, trafficking. While you’re ‘fuelling economies’, you’re also increasing crimes, abuse, and much more. Please spend time with your local womens refuge homes/half way homes which deals with people who want to get away from prostitution. They are difficult to find (mostly because they try to hide these homes/identities because their pimps will do anything even burning down the homes to get revenge).
you fear mongering dumb donkey , You high horse sitting guy
listen do you buy made in china? Do you support child slavery i think your no saint your just as bad as any of us. His argument is go after the crimesters dummy
not prostitution….do we STOP BUYING made in china because few chinese greedy business men take advantage of kidnapping and stealing childrens lives and handcuffing them to the table towork for 12 hours a day and let them sleep there and continue to work??
NO
and yea the kids are in danger if they try to get away
we cant save the world when we create the problem. your thinking is ridicilous because it wont slove anything.
yea you helped some lady or everybody pitched in and help and its a everflowing river huh…pointless sorry bro
but am not heartless yea they deserve help but its actually kinda twisted like keeping a dying patient alive so he can keep feeling pain.
And honestly I am not increasing crime or AM I? so you say spending money there increases crime? how stupid is that omg , so you keep enslaving children?
go after the real criminals dummy
because you do not know if it was made in a sweat shop
you do not know how it came to the store etc…how can you be responsible?
If a prostitute works at a redlight and she is there willing bam you just paid for sex and she has a job and uncle sam is going to tax it when she spends it and you are going to have to work again to get money and get taxed again and you are helping the economy by keeping the cash flow going and you are happier because you just got laid the girl got money to do whatever she needs to do and bam too easy . Now pimps and gangsters and crime lords yea they are the evil that force girls etc…you got out smart them
like creating a central location for all the girls to work in a big building
and extreme punishment for working on the streets
and legal for anybody to work at the building and any body can go to the building with security camera , security guys and you get your 10 minutes to relieve whatever you need to relieve too easy
how would the criminals make money? where will the crime be commited?
People should stop being so overly political correct. Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. It will always be there. Now and in 10000 years.
Many here seem to forget that most of those girls have a choice between “doing the right thing” and working in some store for 3 dollars a day and just being able to feed themsleves OR make 20 dollars fast by sleeping with a customer which takes then less than hour and gives them the opportunity to buy fancy clothes and other luxuries. It’s easy money.
I do not use prostitutes but met tons of them in South East Asia and even slept with a few of them but without paying. Not every girl asks you money.
If you really want to do something about abuse of women then you should ban all alcohol, drugs and religion since these are the main fuel behind abuse of women worldwide. Since this out of the question, the problem can’t be solved.
woman are abused only as much as society lets it happen
the anti prostitution actually causes woman abuse
human trafficking…etc.
gangsta and drug dealers thrive on society misconcieved ideas and forceful way of dealing with people
if drugs was a choice for resposibilty adults and available….where will the drug dealers sell their stuff?
BAM they out of business oh shit …..
but now you gonna say well than people gonna do drugs and ruin their lives
ummmm THEY DO that anyway ~ lol
Your so concieted to think you can stop and make everybody think like you
but its called freewill.
so actually you are the evil …why cant we all be responsiblity individual adults
?????? Do we need to really baby sit everybody and create opportunity for evil to exist?
so you can ban drugs, people will find black market and crime follows etc..etc.
you legalise and tax it ummm hmmmm open light market now people are more aware and responsible and do so carefully and we do not waste time on jail,court,crime,police etc…..
now yea some idiot can over dose ? is that your counter argument? well shit they can do that with alcohol too!
and they can get the drug if they want anyway through black market
so argument shot down
only thing you can say is it will prevent non risk taking scared people from exposing themselves to it…..
yea most likely they wont try it anyway…but you get a benefit you wont have drug dealers bam!,crime,cartels,mafia etc…
yea i can go on and on and on and win any argument because most of you are idiots..
This has to be one of the worst articles i have ever seen!!!
So i can tell you exactly why it is wrong and not from conservative old fashion views or religious beliefs but because i have been a I have been a stripper for over 5 yrs in several different places around the world, I can tell you in that time i have come across many girls in my industry who choose do extras sometimes inside the club or outside after hours, Im strictly just lapdancing and that is hard enough, i so admire this girls who are prepared to do more because i never could personally never do it, the amount of disrespect that men show us is disgraceful from the nasty spiteful things they say to the utterly selfish and thoughtless things they try to do to us in the lapdancing rooms, no matter how flash the club is their will always be vile men who treat you bad so i just wonder how bad its gets for some of these working girls who do not have protection from club bouncers like i do!
But i can confirm that the reason why prostitution is wrong as i have seen first hand as nothing good comes from it!!! Of course there are the odd few who use the money in wise ways and have a good life outside their job but unfortunately this few and far between, most girls who sell sex are messed up or in time become messed up in the head as they are nothing but a commodity to the men that use them.
I have seen prostitution utterly reck young girls and their lives, its a sole destroying profession and affects their family and friends as a result, and more often than not the money is wasted buying alcohol, drugs and unnecessary committees.
Its the oldest profession in the world and will never die but how sad is it that women are still seen as such worthless items to be owned and rented out. And even sader is the way these guys are happy to take these girls (who are often young enough to be their daughters) regardless of the girls feeling is nothing but utterly selfish. Maybe you should remember next time to treat a girl in the sex industry like shit that is someones daughter, sister, how you feel if it was yours!!
Obviously i earn good money being a exotic dancer but i can tell you that there is not point in earning good money if you are unhappy there is not value in that!! I m one of lucky ones with my head screwed on i have transformed my life with the money and be strong enough to rise above the seedy side to my industry i just hope the same for the working girls to fall victims to evil pimps and customers alike.
You are a stripper and anything coming out of your mouth is ridicoulous.
Stop trying to justify why its okay for you to be a stripper no one really cares and
honestly i think you know that. Its funny to see how hard you try to convince your self that stripping is okay or not as bad.
A stripper is equal to a prostitute you sell your image and looks and touch and rubs whatever you wanna call it.
So the genitals didnt penetrate wow big difference there bob~
Honestly you have a sham job and i appreciate crazy girls like you who have nice body but really your mouth should probably be shut because all i want to hear from you is “hey baby ,wanna lapdance” and/or “omg you look so cute,lets party”
other than that yea~ you do not need to open your mouth because you proved how retarded you…i mean you probably knew that so thats why you became a stripper however you are in some form of denial which is kinda annoying at best.
and just to add further there is no way in the world you can compare a relationship to prostitution!!! Im in a very happy relationship with a very kind and gentle man, but i wouldn’t for one minute compare it to the men i meet in work at the strip bars i work at who want me for nothing more than they way i appear to them and for their own self gratification!! Your opinions should be informed if you going to write an article maybe next time to should actually interview people at all levels of the sex trade then your have a real answer to your question!
Yea your relationship yea so the only difference is he wants you more?
how ridicoulous quit fooling yourself.
its easy to fool girls like you to thinking we want you more
than your looks….your so dumb
chemistry and looks = yup attraction and tolerance
trust me if you were hideous your boytoy would not be there
in fact you be ignored and depressed and probably suicidal
maybe you should also view the other side to the Economics of all the violence, gangs, pimps, drugs issues it creates for police, courts systems and social services and snow balling affects its has on families too, once you have the statistics on this and cost to society i doubt very much that it is good for any economy. I have backpacked through Asia and seen what happens to cities that are built on the sex trade and i can tell you its not pretty! Not to mention the emotional stains it leaves on a women, Im yet to meet a prostitute who is radically altered or cynical by their experiences.
ummmmmmm, yea being a prostitute is a choice, and your really retarded
hahah dude, I cant help but crinch as I was reading about your opinions about transaction and value under “HERE’S WHY YOU SHOULD PAY FOR SEX (AND WHY YOU’RE BEING UNETHICAL IF YOU DON’T)”
I didnt take to time to read your last post non did I spead any more time reading further on this one…
I guess your theory would have been correct, if attractions between male and female is just as simple and dull as any business transaction you described XD
you have managed to make the best part of meeting girl as boring as watching paint dry xD so I think this has serve to make you more of a loser then otherwise.
and also there are so much that is wrong about paying for sex as a sex tourist, I dont even know where to begin 0.o
anyways, let me know if you wanna find out more about, a) stop being a loser. and b) whats wrong with sex tourist.
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Well i read your article, and your logic has a flaw.
You said that “contracting” sexual services contributes for the GDP of the local economy, that would be nice, however i think you overlooked one very important aspect. Sexual Contracts, do not pay taxes(with the exception to the countries where prostitution is legal, and even then i have my doubts if any service rendered is dully declared ).
Regards
thats right , so is money given from you to your wife dummy
plus you cant avoid taxes, you paid taxes when you worked for it
the government will get its taxes again when the prostitute spends her money dummy
cant avoid taxes even when you give it to someone because they ulitimately have to pay taxes duh~ so dumb
very informative and controversial as well.
your retarded
So she admires the women in her industry who prostitute themselves because she could never do it; the men are selfish and into their own self gratification. How terrible. Makes me want to shudder. And yet, she has traveled around the world working in clubs as an exotic dancer, while being leered at by all these no good men? Oh, the horror! Maybe, on the basis of gender equality, maybe for the sake of re-education, she should be sent to some West Virginia coal mine, and not to entertain the men by shaking her tits and ass. I mean, it must truly be hard and terrible work to shake that ass.